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  • Tue, Nov 8 2005 2:59 PM

    Avid Liquid 7.0 and DVD

    It's possible now, to make a multilanguage DVD, perhaps also subtitles in Avid Liquid 7.0?

    Manfred

  • Tue, Nov 8 2005 5:36 PM In reply to

    • LewS
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    Re: Avid Liquid 7.0 and DVD

    I am not a beta tester but I don't think either of those will be possible in AL7 afaik. However, I know there will be other serious improvements in the DVD authoring features of AL7 such as 16:9 menu support.
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  • Tue, Nov 8 2005 8:01 PM In reply to

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    Re: Avid Liquid 7.0 and DVD

    You are not able to add a secondary audio track in Liquid's DVD authoring.  Ditto for subtitles.  There are other third-party tools that do that extremely well.  I here the latest version of DVDit does a spectacular job.
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  • Tue, Nov 8 2005 8:08 PM In reply to

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    Re: Avid Liquid 7.0 and DVD

    And don't forget DVDLab. And if you're a truly advanced user, you can still find DVD Maestro for sale on Ebay.
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    AW: Re: Avid Liquid 7.0 and DVD

    @dave

    we prefer Adobe Encore DVD 2.0, but avid has some money left to buy a authoring-software. Also we wish a new titler and effects for next christmas.

    Your feature request poll we could post on the european forums in the next week ?

    Shipping in europe will start end of nov. 2005.

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  • Tue, Nov 8 2005 11:30 PM In reply to

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    Re: AW: Re: Avid Liquid 7.0 and DVD

    When I posted the poll I wasn't thinking about HFX and TitleDeko. Otherwise they'd be on there. I can't change the poll without losing all of the existing data, so it stays as is. Perhaps I'll start a new one after that one is over.
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  • Wed, Nov 9 2005 3:00 AM In reply to

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    Re: Avid Liquid 7.0 and DVD

    Aloha Manfred,

    Liquid 7 DVD has some nice improvements, but none as much as those two, as Andy had previously pointed out.  Hopefully we can see it in a future release...I would sure like to see it for when it came time for us to translate our multilingual material into a dual lingual DVD Wink [;)]  Ahh...nice dreams, nice dreams. 

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  • Wed, Nov 9 2005 4:09 AM In reply to

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    Re: Avid Liquid 7.0 and DVD

    To be honest I don't expect Liquid to ever excel in DVD authoring, nor do I see that as a major fault. I expect Liquid to be the best editor out there that it can be. That to my mind includes audio editing, effects processing, titler, etc. (and Liquid could still use some improvements in some of these areas). The fact that it has DVD authoring at all is a bonus.

    It's not unrealistic to have to expect to use a 3rd party application for anything beyond the basic DVD authoring features. Nor is it cost prohibitive. You can get excellent authoring tools for under USD $200. I'm sure that some will complain about having to spend additional funds for features they feel should be in the base product. But I question whether those features should be there. I would prefer that product development concentrate on the editing side of the application first (which is what I believe they are doing).

    Don't get me wrong; I certainly wouldn't complain if I could edit and burn my multi-language, close captioned, subtitled, multi-angle DVD with custom programmed handling and hyperlinked multi-aspect DVD menu all from within one application. But that's not likely to happen. And these happen to be the features I require from an authoring application.

    At some point I do expect to see Liquid get subtitles and multiple audio tracks, and that perhaps covers everything that might be considered "basic" in terms of authoring. I'd prefer to see Bezier curves in the Classic editors first though.

    I expect that I'm in the minority on this one. But it's just my view of the world.

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  • Wed, Nov 9 2005 4:44 AM In reply to

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    Yes [Y] Re: Avid Liquid 7.0 and DVD

    Aloha Dave,
     DStone wrote:
    I'd prefer to see Bezier curves in the Classic editors first though.

    I expect that I'm in the minority on this one. But it's just my view of the world.

      I would have absolutely agree with you on that one.  It should be in all the editors, not just the RT ones...let's hope and ask for future versions.

    fellow editmonky,
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    Re: Avid Liquid 7.0 and DVD

     DStone wrote:
    You can get excellent authoring tools for under USD $200.

    Dave, What do you recommend? I'm looking for something slightly more advanced than the DVD Authoring tool in Studio. One thing I really need is to be able to choose which item is highlighted on any given menu. I also like being able to use motion menus so that needs to be included as well. Your thoughts?

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  • Wed, Nov 9 2005 5:14 AM In reply to

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    Re: Avid Liquid 7.0 and DVD

    It's no secret that I highly recommend DVDLab by MediaChance. It comes in 3 versions, Standard, Studio, and Pro. Standard is USD $99, Pro is USD $199, and Studio splits the difference at $129.

    The differences between the versions can be found on the comparison chart Here. The short summary is Standard doesn't support subtitles, multiple audio tracks, or multi-aspect menus. Studio adds support for all of these (2 audio tracks only) as well as play lists. Pro adds 8 audio tracks, mixing of 4x3 and 16x9 media on the same DVD, and very advanced authoring features (down to and including programming the DVD virtual machine).

    And this is only 1 application. If you've followed some of the other threads, DVDIt can be had with eDVD (the ability to created DVDs with hyperlinked menus when played on a computer) for $199. And there are others. It all depends on what you want.

    DVDLab (all versions) support motion menus, as well as having what I believe is the nicest menu creation system out of every application I've tried (and I own another authoring app. that costs thousands more and which isn't as nice in that respect). Mind you it's not template driven, so you have to do a bit more work than some other app's, but you can get exactly what you want vs. what other people think you should have. Give it a try; it comes with a 30-day fully functional trial.



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  • Wed, Nov 9 2005 5:43 AM In reply to

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    Re: Avid Liquid 7.0 and DVD

    And the learning time?
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    AW: Re: Avid Liquid 7.0 and DVD

    dvdlab.pro rocks and its easy to learn...bought it a while ago since the dvd-authoring in LE/AL didnt improve with higher versions....wont miss my dvdlab now anymore ;-))

     

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    Re: Avid Liquid 7.0 and DVD

     TVJohn wrote:
    And the learning time?
    If all you've ever used is a template driven authoring system, then it may take a bit longer to learn (figure on a couple of hours of playing around with it). Smile [:)]

    Put it this way, to create a basic DVD  with multiple chapters, a menu with multiple links, and a scene selection menu with a thumbnail for each chapter can be ready for compilation in about 10 minutes. The sequence is:
    1. Import your assets (video and audio) into DVDLab.
    2. Drag the video and audio assets into the Movie.
    3. Scroll through the movie and set chapter points.
    4. From the DVDLab menu, create a scene selection menu. This is one of the few templated things in DVDLab (and you can make your own templates). This will create one or more linked menu pages with a thumbnail for each chapter. Each page has next/previous/Up buttons as appropriate.
    5. Go to the main DVD menu, and add text labels (like Play, Bonus Features, Setup, etc.)
    6. Right-click on each text label and choose Link to link it to a movie, or chapter, or another menu (don't forget to make a link to the scene selection menu).
    7. Choose which link you want to be highlighted by default.
    8. Compile the project. This creates the DVD structure suitable for burning.
    9. Burn the project to DVD (DVDLab has a basic burner utility built in).
    It takes about as long to read the instructions as to get to the point of making chapter marks. This is the thing that probably takes the longest. If you don't need chapters and scene selection menus you can be compiling a DVD in under 5 minutes.

    Needless to say there are other things you might want to do, like make multiple menus, use background images and/or graphics, make motion menus (audio and/or video), etc. Links can be anything you can put on the menu including graphics or video clips. You have complete control over how buttons appear. You can make menus that underline the the selected choice or put frames around them or arrows pointing to them, etc. How complex it gets is really up to you.

    Compare the idea of dropping a text item on a menu and right-clicking on it to make it into a fully functional link vs. having to create a multi-layered PSD image in a particular format and importing it (this is how many authoring app's work).

    Like I said, give it a try. It's well worth the time looking at it.
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    Re: Avid Liquid 7.0 and DVD

    Thanks Dave. I have been leaning towards DVDLab Pro for some time. I believe it was your recommendation. I actually have a trial copy downloaded and ready to install. I guess the next step is to try it out. I'll let you know how it goes. I appreciate your help.
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