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  • Wed, Mar 28 2012 6:14 PM

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    ISIS 5000 Optional Connection to Force10 S25

    Hi

    The ISIS 5000 engine can connect to the Force10 S25 switch by 4x1GB ethernet cables or by 1x10GBE cable.

    if the clients are connected via 1GB ethernet anyway, will i benefit anything from the 10GBE connection between the engine to the switch?

    Thanks

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  • Wed, Mar 28 2012 8:49 PM In reply to

    Re: ISIS 5000 Optional Connection to Force10 S25

    It depends on the number of clients you plan on connecting and the total bandwidth they will be using. For just a few clients working at DnxHD 36, there would be no need for a 10Gbit connection. With more clients working at higher bit rates, there would probably be a benefit if the combined bandwidth desired exceeds 4Gbits.

    Your reseller should be able to help you decide.

    Robert

  • Wed, Mar 28 2012 8:59 PM In reply to

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    Re: ISIS 5000 Optional Connection to Force10 S25

    Hi

    My reseller wants me to purchse the 10gb option so his comission will be higher as the 10GB board for the force10 switch is optional and costs more...

    We are working in about 20 editing suites, SD ONLY, 15:1s/10:1/DV420 - all suites working in a 9 way group multicam.

    What do you think?

    Thanks

     

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  • Thu, Mar 29 2012 6:47 PM In reply to

    Re: ISIS 5000 Optional Connection to Force10 S25

    I suggest you find a reseller you are comfortable with as this gets really complicated depending on the mix of clients and resolutions. Resellers used to get spreadsheets from Avid to help with these calculations and I assume they still do. They should be willing to show you the numbers behind their recommendation.

    You should also take a look at the ISIS 5000 Performance guide: http://avid.force.com/pkb/LegacySearch?DocId=428391

    That said, multicam is a bandwidth hog. 10:1 9-way multicam uses 30MB/s so 20 clients simultaneously working this way would be 600MB/s which is the theoretical maximum for 4 bonded Gig-E connections. 15:1s 9-way multicam is 15MB/s, so if some of those clients were mixed into the blend, you might get away with it.

    A potentially bigger issue is that a single engine is rated for an aggregated bandwidth (In this case meaning a mix of read and write clients) at 300MB/s, so just 10 clients at 10:1 9-way multicam would max out a single engine. Two engines on a single switch wouldn't leave you enough client ports without using 10GB-E.

    Obviously, if you don't always use multicam, the requirements would drop significantly.

    Full disclosure: I'm an IT guy and was a MediaNet ACSR until it was discontinued, but I have not yet certified on ISIS nor worked much with multicam, so keep in mind I may have missed something.

    Hope this gives you enough to calculate your exact requirements.

    Robert

  • Thu, Mar 29 2012 10:02 PM In reply to

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    Re: ISIS 5000 Optional Connection to Force10 S25

    Thank you Robert for all your help.

    Dori

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  • Thu, Mar 29 2012 10:35 PM In reply to

    Re: ISIS 5000 Optional Connection to Force10 S25

    A single ISIS 5000 v3.2 box is rated around 300 MB/s with Avid only  clients.

    4 Gb = 500 MB/s. So 4Gb has the bandwidth to fully utilize the speed of a single ISIS 5000 chassis.

     

    The 10Gb connection allows 4 more 1Gb connections, required for adding more chassis to the same System Director, stacking another switch expansion and/or allow your to utilize the simple long run capabilities of a fiber cable.

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  • Fri, Mar 30 2012 6:11 AM In reply to

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    Re: ISIS 5000 Optional Connection to Force10 S25

    Thanks Dom as always for your info.

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  • Fri, Mar 30 2012 9:09 AM In reply to

    Re: ISIS 5000 Optional Connection to Force10 S25

    Hi Dori,

    While I'm using the ISIS 7000 system I came across the same issue and regrettably made the wrong decision to NOT implement a Sisco, SMC or Force10 switch. As I have only 3 editing and 2 airspeed clients on my system the number of ports and band-with needed was fine without the switch and therefor it seemed this setup was fine.

    What I didn't know at that time is that these MANAGED switches can also provide you with an important layer of redundancy, aggregated network connections, and networking tools (like routing if implemented in a company network).

    As I do not have a ISIS 5000 system I can't tell if it is exactly the same but after learning my way around ISIS 7000 it is obvious that the designers have designed the system with the integration of a switch.

    Also taking in account the fact that in the future you will be able to do HD with your current edits and/or expand the number of editing system, I would go for the 10G option under any circumstance.

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  • Fri, Mar 30 2012 8:48 PM In reply to

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    Re: ISIS 5000 Optional Connection to Force10 S25

    Thank you.

     

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  • Wed, Apr 11 2012 12:07 AM In reply to

    Re: ISIS 5000 Optional Connection to Force10 S25

    You could improove your bandwith, dual connecting clients, and in this scenario it is better the 10Gb conection than the 4x1Gb
    Regards. 

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