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  • Sat, Feb 19 2011 11:49 AM

    We need a roadmap for Symphony - please add your vote

    If anything is going to happen, Avid, let us know. Otherwise we're all better off downgrading to MC.

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  • Sat, Feb 19 2011 12:32 PM In reply to

    • agusting
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    Re: We need a roadmap for Symphony - please add your vote

    +1

    cheers.

     

     

     

     

  • Sat, Feb 19 2011 12:54 PM In reply to

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    Re: We need a roadmap for Symphony - please add your vote

    +2

    ( because I have two Symphony systems....)

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  • Sat, Feb 19 2011 1:18 PM In reply to

    Re: We need a roadmap for Symphony - please add your vote

    +3 (we got three! :0)

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  • Sat, Feb 19 2011 1:46 PM In reply to

    • Bruno M
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    Re: We need a roadmap for Symphony - please add your vote

    +3

    Can't help wondering if the Symphony roadmap is similar to the situation I saw on a trip to a Greek island. New fast road being built which suddenly stops a few kilometres out of town, with just an abandoned bulldozer sitting at the warning barrier. Locals say it's been like that for ages. Initially, they pestered the local council about it's completion but never had a satisfactory reply. Now, no one really cares any more and life goes on as before. Given Greece's current financial problems it's unlikely ever to be completed.

    I can't help thinking that with the number of reasonably priced, high-end finishing systems coming onto the market (Smoke on Mac for example which really blows Avid's toolset out of the water), that Symphony is on the road to nowhere.

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  • Sat, Feb 19 2011 2:43 PM In reply to

    • TCurren
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    Re: We need a roadmap for Symphony - please add your vote

    +1

     

    Bruno M:
    I can't help thinking that with the number of reasonably priced, high-end finishing systems coming onto the market (Smoke on Mac for example which really blows Avid's toolset out of the water), that Symphony is on the road to nowhere.

     

    Yeah, sure feels that way. 

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  • Sat, Feb 19 2011 7:39 PM In reply to

    • C.A.M.
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    Re: We need a roadmap for Symphony - please add your vote

    Avid needs to kill Symphony. Plain and simple. 

    One product. Media Composer. With a common, out of date, behind the times, quality challenged, glitch filled "feature set".

    It is folly to think an 11 year old color corrector and universal mastering is anything deserving of a price premium.

    The foundation of the product is Composer and that core is crippled. The results are barely adequate for all but low end corporate work and simple narrative story telling.

    We have to bypass nearly all core functions of the software to get acceptable results and just use our Symphonys as a final assembly point.

    Very little has been done to improve the results of what I see "on screen" from Avid's applications.

    Very little has been done or added to solve the problems, issues and challenges we face daily in post. 

    Very little has been to done to address long standing bugs. The bare minimum has be done to keep these products current with new popular acquisition formats. 

    Oh and they are pretty damn slow. Umm, 64 bit anyone? Really could use a stack of RAM and some multi-core processing. 

    This is not the heart of a high end online or finishing application.

    Instead they invest resources in puzzling initiatives and  absurd, misguided, heavy handed, shareware grade, interface re-modling.

    These products can barely stand on their own, maybe it just makes more sense to have one mediocre offering at low price point. Save the marketing money and dump it into some real R&D. Maybe a few heads should roll too. 

    There was once another path to take, but the geniuses at Avid have been botching this for over a decade.

    And are stilling botching it by removing any competitive advantages they had left in the support of 3rd party hardware and imitating the stale work of other companies. 

    They are followers now. Not leaders. 

    Kill Symphony. And maybe start considering the options a fully developed, more composer friendly, DS would provide. 

     

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  • Sat, Feb 19 2011 8:01 PM In reply to

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    Re: We need a roadmap for Symphony - please add your vote

    My Vote.

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  • Sat, Feb 19 2011 8:09 PM In reply to

    • Haze
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    Re: We need a roadmap for Symphony - please add your vote

    +1

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  • Sat, Feb 19 2011 9:19 PM In reply to

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    Re: We need a roadmap for Symphony - please add your vote

    I'm not an owner, but I have been an online editor using Symphony on projects (films, spots, TV shows). Back in my facilty management days, I was also responsible for the purchasing decision to go Symphony. It was always a difficult thing to explain to our clients, but you invariably had to position it as a Media Composer with a few more bells-and-whistles. In the early days, uncompressed was a bit of a selling point.

    Personally, I'm in the camp that says drop the product separation. Combine the features of Symphony and Media Composer and sell one product as a software-only system. Then sell the individual Avid hardware accordingly. So if someone wanted, they could have a Symphony/Media Composer with a Kona 3 at some point down the road. Or NitrisDX with AVC-Intra module.

    I don't care if you call it Symphony or Media Composer - whichever has the greatest brand appeal. The current reasons for keeping it separate are purely artificial, because Avid can still find customers to pay a premium price. How long will that last? Merge the two and then see if the market can support a new high-end box. Maybe it can't or maybe that's DS. In either case, it isn't Symphony without radical improvements.

    - Oliver

     

     

  • Sun, Feb 20 2011 1:21 AM In reply to

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    Re: We need a roadmap for Symphony - please add your vote

    OliverPeters:
    I don't care if you call it Symphony or Media Composer - whichever has the greatest brand appeal. The current reasons for keeping it separate are purely artificial, because Avid can still find customers to pay a premium price. How long will that last? Merge the two and then see if the market can support a new high-end box. Maybe it can't or maybe that's DS. In either case, it isn't Symphony without radical improvements.

    Agreed.  I have been singing this song for a long time.  One product, varied IO's based on need.  Call it whatever you like.

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  • Sun, Feb 20 2011 1:34 AM In reply to

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    Re: We need a roadmap for Symphony - please add your vote

    I'd like to know as well.  I mostly online Avid offlined shows and the Symphony's non linear color correction is a real plus in my work flow.  I can almost make up the speed lost by not having a dedicated color correction control surface by optimizing my use of the non linear color correction.  I'd really like to see how much faster I could work with the Artist color control panel.  Sure I'd like to see improvements in secondary color correction and over all image quality but honestly nobody on the receiving end at the networks are complaining about image quality to me.  For the vast majority of reality based and documentary shows I work on the symphony works well and the universal mastering is becoming more important as I get more international versioning for shows.  I'd love to see all the symphony specific features in MCsoft but in many everyday work situations the symphony premium, I think about 15K, is worth the investment for series work even though I hate to admidt that.  I'm not a business marketing specialist I just know what helps me get the job done efficiently.

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  • Sun, Feb 20 2011 3:30 AM In reply to

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    Re: We need a roadmap for Symphony - please add your vote

    It is utterly depressing that in the year 2011 -- the only material differentiator between MC and Symphony is still Advanced Color Correction and Universal Mastering.  

    It is also utterly depressing that in year 2011 -- both of these platforms are still wallowing in obsolete toolsets that are over 10 years old.  I mean -- really -- what other software company is selling 10 year old functionality?

    I won't go into the gory details of what is wrong with these two products -- except to say that if Avid is unaware of their shortcomings-- we are all in deep trouble. 

    What I will say is my opinion that there is simply no reason for these two products to not be merged into one.

    And for that one surviving product to have herculean developmental resources thrown at it -- to overcome the past 10 years of squandered opportunity -- that would have allowed Avid to be an innovative leader -- and not an embarrasing follower. 

     

  • Sun, Feb 20 2011 4:35 AM In reply to

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    Re: We need a roadmap for Symphony - please add your vote

    blafarm:
    It is also utterly depressing that in year 2011 -- both of these platforms are still wallowing in obsolete toolsets that are over 10 years old.

     

    I am one of the biggest complainers about Avid dragging their feet on Symphony advancement over the years. That said...

     

    How much more can you develop an editing platform? Some of the new toolsets, like Phrase Find are pretty state of the art, don't you think? Granted, it is like Get for FCP, but Apple didn't add that. Maybe Avid should be more open to third party add-ons like Apple is. That would speed their development.

     

    To really find out what advancements can be made in the editing world, I think we will have to wait and see if Apple comes out with something new.

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  • Sun, Feb 20 2011 7:19 AM In reply to

    • luca.mg
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    Re: We need a roadmap for Symphony - please add your vote

    I'm not an owner too but I heavily use Symphony, so forgive me for joining the party... a knoledgeable person told me that in Europe there were, as of 2009, more or less 150 Symphony systems (!) being half of the sales here in Italy; there also are a few thousands systems in the US, being the rest of the world a negectible market: how can You spare development resources with such low figures? And in fact Avid develops one product, they then sale a crippled down version of the software called MC and a fully featured version called Symphony. So the reasons why Avid keeps Symphony alive are: 1) as Oliver wrote, they find (a bunch of) foolish enough people willing to pay the extra money, and 2) they can't disappoint the current Symphony owners dropping the product and including the features in MC, or dropping MC and making Symphony software only while substantially lowering the price. With the release of MC 5 and now 5.5 Avid has (re)introduced optional features, something we all strongly fought against for years (come on Avid, You have to give me a fully featured editor to compete with the competition!), I can see in the crystal ball MC 6 with the sold separately Symphony option, and I don't like the idea, I also see the Symphony option still being secondary colour correction and Universal Mastering, and I dont like this too: Symphony needs to be improved, or kill it, whichever way give customers a roadmap.

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    peace luca

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