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  • Tue, Sep 28 2010 5:59 PM

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    Capturing HDV over timecode breaks ... HOW????

    I've asked a similiar question in the past but still haven't found a solution so I'm hoping again to find someone with a solution.

    All the HDV tapes I shot in this project have timecode breaks and lacks of progress between shots because I had the 'quickrecord' function turned on while shooting, and sometimes I also took the tape out and put it back in again. I'm left with 30 tapes with the timecode starting back to 0:00:00:00 throughout the tapes and a split second of empty frames (lacks of progress) between all my shots, since the beginning of the shots do not line up with the end of the previous shots.

    Avid' CAPTURE does not like this and every time it detects these lacks of progress, the capture tool stops and gives the 'capture aborted due to lack of progress' message. A solution that people have told me so far is to rent an expensive deck for $140/day to dub all my tapes to create new timecode and control track. I will do this if I have to but .... ISN'T THERE A WAY AVID CAN JUST CONTINUOUSLY CAPTURE OVER THESE TIMECODE BREAKS/LACKS OF PROGRESS? (My goal is to capture in an HDV project and edit in HDV)

    What I've tried so far:

    * changing capture settings to 'capture across timecode breaks' and unchecking 'stop capture if a bad frame is detected'

    * making a mark-in an out point around the time breaks in the tape before capturing

    * trying to adjust to different decks on the capture tool

    * use the internal clock as timecode

    * disabled the timecode in the capture tool (though I do need a timecode reference for the edit.) I still get the message every time there is a tiny timecode break.

    Thank you for any attempt to help!!

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  • Tue, Sep 28 2010 6:08 PM In reply to

    • mjolnarn
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    Re: Capturing HDV over timecode breaks ... HOW????

    You have a couple of threads about this now.

    Have you tried to use live mode with no control over your cam and the internal time of day clock ?

     

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  • Tue, Sep 28 2010 6:25 PM In reply to

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    Re: Capturing HDV over timecode breaks ... HOW????

     

    My word

    I use to overcome a miserable time code by disregarding the old time code and get a new consistent.

     

    In Capture tool, Toggle the Source button (tape deck get a no parking sign).

    Now the time code will free run. Manually play the time deck, and click the record button.

     

     

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  • Tue, Sep 28 2010 6:33 PM In reply to

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    Re: Capturing HDV over timecode breaks ... HOW????

    Just tried this on a bad customer hdv tape without any success, dubbing to another cam seems to be the only solution

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  • Tue, Sep 28 2010 7:15 PM In reply to

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    Re: Capturing HDV over timecode breaks ... HOW????

    I ran into this a couple of weeks ago (time-of-day TC is still painful after all these years), I was able to get my Sony M15U HDV deck to capture across HDV TC breaks by increasing the Pre-roll time of the deck in the Deck Config settings (mine was at 1-sec, I increased it to 3-sec). The downside of increasing the pre-roll time is that you'll lose more heads on each clip, so keep that in mind.

    Also, double check the "Capture across TC breaks" option in Capture Settings. I'd also suggest matching the deck's model number as closely as possible while you're in the Deck Config too. A good deck might have an easier time of this than capturing from a camera, i'm not sure which you're using.

    Hope that might help you.

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  • Tue, Sep 28 2010 9:59 PM In reply to

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    Re: Capturing HDV over timecode breaks ... HOW????

    Toggling the source off in the capture tool should do it, as mentioned previously. I don`t see how this could recreate a no progress error, as the Avid is now generating an internal timecode and capturing whatever video comes into the system.

    In this mode it won`t look at the deck at all, it just passively captures whatever the deck happens to spit out, even if that happens to be a black frame with no timecode associated.

    Z

  • Tue, Sep 28 2010 11:00 PM In reply to

    Re: Capturing HDV over timecode breaks ... HOW????

    Zac Hogle:

    In this mode it won`t look at the deck at all, it just passively captures whatever the deck happens to spit out, even if that happens to be a black frame with no timecode associated.

    When capturing this way and still requiring TC you can modify the clip after capture and give the clip a start time of the same time as the first frame of capture.  The required start TC can be calculated by checking the tape TC at the first shot change and subtracting the length of the first shot captured. (shot duration with I and O marked around the first shot)

    FWIW if I am going to batch capture later from long non TC captures like this I then check my modified clip finish TC  with the tape TC at that point to get a good idea how much the TC has slipped during the capture. This gives me the maximum I need to set for heads and tails in the batch

  • Wed, Sep 29 2010 2:12 AM In reply to

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    Re: Capturing HDV over timecode breaks ... HOW????

    I've realized that I can get around the timecode breaks by 'toggling the source' in the capture tool and using the 'internal timecode source', but capture still aborts due to the split second lack of progress that my tapes have between each shot, due to removing the tape and the 'quickrecord' function turned on.

    Hasn't anyone else run into this problem? Is there any solution to me getting my 30 HDV tapes captured? I brough my camera and tape to 2 video rental places today and so far they weren't able to create a dub with a fresh, flowing timecode and control track. Still the capture would abort on the lacks of progress on dubs. AAAAAAAAAH!!     (we tried dubbing with the Sony HVR-M10U deck)

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  • Wed, Sep 29 2010 2:24 AM In reply to

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    Re: Capturing HDV over timecode breaks ... HOW????

    To get around this i capture HDV using CapDVHS (free program), then import the file into Avid...

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  • Wed, Sep 29 2010 2:32 AM In reply to

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    Re: Capturing HDV over timecode breaks ... HOW????

    Would another editing program create a better quality capture and easier import to Avid after? I can download a month trial of Sony Vegas or another editing program. Maybe this could be the answer to my little nightmare?

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  • Wed, Sep 29 2010 2:37 AM In reply to

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    Re: Capturing HDV over timecode breaks ... HOW????

    weekender:
    Hasn't anyone else run into this problem? Is there any solution to me getting my 30 HDV tapes captured?

    Increasing the pre-roll time in Deck Config did not help? Also double-check "Capture across TC Breaks" in Capture Settings? Have you tried capturing from a different deck? I didn't see what model you were capturing from. FYI, Sony HVR-M15U and 3-second pre-roll time allows me to capture across TC breaks on HDV tapes. I had to do it with about 8-hours of tape two weeks ago, so I feel your pain.

    If "quick record" is truly the problem, then you may have no choice but to capture with more forgiving capture software as someone else suggested. If you have to go that route and can capture directly to MOV files, you should be able to AMA link to them and begin editing immediately (with MC5).

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  • Wed, Sep 29 2010 3:26 AM In reply to

    Re: Capturing HDV over timecode breaks ... HOW????

    Have you in Capture settings General Checked the "Ignore detected media read errors" box?

    Have you in capture DV&HDV options UNCHECKED the "Enable detection of small TC breaks" option?

    Quick start record has always regally ******* with TC.

    Making a dub in a Sony HDV 1500 with TC set to external (and feeding TC to the TC in BNC) will get you clean dubs. I would think most rental places in your area would have small portable TC generators.

  • Wed, Sep 29 2010 1:37 PM In reply to

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    Re: Capturing HDV over timecode breaks ... HOW????

    best long-term solution is what someone mentioned --- clone to new tapes, generating new - and continuous - TC. you just need a firewire cable and another HDV camera or deck. I say "long-term" as you may need to recapture something later.

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