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  • Tue, Apr 13 2010 7:18 PM

    • Adam Cravens
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    Color Correction Help

    Does anyone have any suggestions for training, dvd's or online tutorials specifically related to color correction on a Symphony Nitris?  I have been finishing on the system for quite a while, but haven't been called upon to do any real grading until now.  I purchased the Hullfish book and it's great, but I really wish there was something that addressed the symphony toolset specifically short of the manual and I'm really more of a visual learner. 

    From what I can tell, there's an out of stock DVD for MC color correction, there's a general SN class that's not scheduled anytime soon if at all in the Burbank area, a free tutorial about secondary color correction on the AVID site and an fxphd class about finishing on a Davinci.  None of these seem specific enough to what I'm trying to do.

    Additionally I would very much appreciate any reccommendations for HD scopes that will do a decent job without breaking the bank as well as any online resources for calibrating HD monitors.

    Thanks in advance.

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  • Tue, Apr 13 2010 11:10 PM In reply to

    • dermot
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    Re: Color Correction Help

    Adam Cravens:
    I would very much appreciate any reccommendations for HD scopes that will do a decent job without breaking the bank as well as any online resources for calibrating HD monitors.

     

    Hi Adam, I'm a DS user, and do alot of gradeing... I'm using the Blackmagic Scopes, and a HP DreamcolorPro mon, fed from a blackmagic HDlinkPro, that in turn is fed from the DS's duallink 444 output, with the HDlink's HDSDI out going to the scope, the same gear works fine with single link as well, and will be ready for 444 when it arrives on Symp soon.

    I use the Dreamcolor's optional OneEye callibration kit to line-up the mon after i have white point set to 25 Fl, and use the 709 profile.

    This set-up works really well, and is truly cost effective.

    As for gradeing, DS is much the same as Symp, my advice is to take a look at Johanes Itten's book "The Art of Color", and a few tutorials on color from the Magic Bullet guy, as there's nothing in there you can't do in either Symp or DS easily, but you can downoad the same footage and mess around with it to match his stuff.

    Then play a bunch when the producer's not around ;-)

    Good luck.

    d/

     

     

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  • Wed, Apr 14 2010 7:01 PM In reply to

    • Adam Cravens
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    Re: Color Correction Help

    Thanks very much for your advice, Dermot.  Is that to say you are using the Blackmagic Ultrascope?  This is a card which runs in a dedicated pc with an attached LCD for a screen correct?  This seems like a pretty cost effective solution as I'm sure we have a few discarded offline workstations lying around that would work for this.

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  • Wed, Apr 14 2010 8:05 PM In reply to

    • dermot
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    Re: Color Correction Help

    Adam Cravens:

    Thanks very much for your advice, Dermot.  Is that to say you are using the Blackmagic Ultrascope?  This is a card which runs in a dedicated pc with an attached LCD for a screen correct?  This seems like a pretty cost effective solution as I'm sure we have a few discarded offline workstations lying around that would work for this.

    Yup that's correct ;-)

    i have a xp32 "support" machine in my rack, it has software MC, the OneEye calibration for the Dreamcolor & the Ultrascope loaded.

    You  will have to chk the spec's for the Ultrascope, it needs a gfx card & display that run at 1920x1080 at a minimum, so an old offline station like a 8200/3450 might be a good choice, solid as a rock for sure.

    d/

     

     

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  • Sun, Apr 25 2010 8:57 AM In reply to

    • mrmikster
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    Re: Color Correction Help

    Correction, that scope needs 1900 X 1200. Anything less and it won't run. I just tried on Thursday. Other than that, the scope rocks.

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  • Sun, Apr 25 2010 6:20 PM In reply to

    • TCurren
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    Re: Color Correction Help

    Make sure the GFX card is OGL 2 compliant.

     

    I took an old XW8200, threw in a $100.00 GFX card from Frys, added the BM Ultrascope and bam, HD scope for under 1 grand.

     

    The downside is, the windows aren't programmable. So you are stuck with the preset view which isn't the best for Color Correction.

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  • Mon, Apr 26 2010 4:21 PM In reply to

    • Abeyta
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    Re: Color Correction Help

    Actually, there is a new update of Ultrascope software out now. You can now use smaller monitors and you can display a 2 up screen instead of all 6 windows. There are a few other features too. Blackmagic has the free download on their website. A very cool product for sure.

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  • Mon, Apr 26 2010 5:27 PM In reply to

    • TCurren
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    Re: Color Correction Help

    Still not great for CC. In CCing, I want RGB parade, Vector, expanded vector, and composite waveform. I don't need any audio info or the picture. Not only do those distract, but they also pollute the color sensitivity of your eyes.

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  • Mon, Apr 26 2010 7:03 PM In reply to

    • Abeyta
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    Re: Color Correction Help

    well it's still a version 1 product so there's room for improvement.

    you can now zoom in to Vector, RGB and Waveform too. There is also a composite waveform view.

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  • Mon, Apr 26 2010 8:22 PM In reply to

    • TCurren
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    Re: Color Correction Help

    Abeyta:
    you can now zoom in to Vector,

     

    Yes, but not a full size vector and a zoomed one. You want to se both at the same time for black and white balance and skin tones.

     

    I did point this out to the engineer at NAB, so hopefully they will address it.

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