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  • Sun, Feb 15 2009 2:48 PM

    • Dustin
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    Streamclip settings .MOD

    I recently purchased a Panasonic sdr-h60 hard drive camcorder as a backup cam. I use Streamclip to convert the .MOD files to .dv files. They look great and edit great in AVID. The thing is a .MOD file of about 35mb will end up as a 70mb .dv file (approx. doubling in size).

    Is the .dv export the best thing for me to do to get .MOD files into AVID? Quality being primary importance. 

    Can anyone explain the file size issue described above?

    Any Streamclip settings recommendations will be considered and appreciated.

    Best,  Dustin

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  • Mon, Feb 16 2009 2:44 AM In reply to

    • dingo1
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    Re: Streamclip settings .MOD

    Give us as much info about the files (the mod's) as you can.  For instance if you are creating files from the camera that are 411 and moderately compressed then dv is fine...if you are creating 422 files then dv50 maybe the thing.  So what are the settings from the camera and we can figure out the best conversion...Oh and chances are your edit format is likely to be larger than your capture format...in that capture is most interested in size (smaller gives more time on your record medium) vs edit which is more interested in ease of manipulation in the edit program...thing HDV at 25mgbits converted to DNXHD 145 for ease of HD editing.

     

    Cheers

     

    Gregg

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  • Mon, Feb 16 2009 4:54 PM In reply to

    • Dustin
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    Re: Streamclip settings .MOD

    Thank you for the reply. It's a Panasonic sdr-h60 and I am dragging the files directly from the camera into streamclip. I know the .MODs are mpeg2 with ac3 audio so that they can be burnt to dvd directly from the camera. I record at the highest quality setting. The files I think are pretty compressed in the camera but I do not know what 411 vs 422 is. I know the dv25 files look great and edit great in AVID and the large edit files thing makes sense, so maybe I'm doing the right thing... just wanting to get someone who is more tuned in to this stuff to check my work. Now that I think about it... once I import into AVID I can delete the .dv files from my computer hard drive because avid has made seperate media files and I haven't looked to see how large those files are. Ok I just checked and the OMF AVID media files are the same size as the .dv files they were created from and I was able to delete the original .dv files. Wow.. a 24sec clip is 85mb.

    Ok as far as checking my settings I googled my camera and 411 vs 422 but I couldn't find info on that. I'll keep looking. AHH... I just noticed in AVID that it says "DV 25 411". Were you saying the the CAMERA shoots in either 411 or 422 or is that just a .dv conversion variable or an avid import setting? In my media creation tool everything is set for "DV 25 411 OMF".

    Thanks... sorry if I'm all over the place. Just working on getting you as much info about what I'm doing as I can.

    -Dustin

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  • Mon, Feb 23 2009 7:27 PM In reply to

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    Re: Streamclip settings .MOD

    So in retrospect I was thinking:  Can you capture directly from the camera from the capture tool so you don't have to go thru the whole convert to dv thing???

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  • Tue, Feb 24 2009 3:49 AM In reply to

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    Re: Streamclip settings .MOD

    The connection from the camera to the pc is USB and I don't think you can play out video through it, only load to computer as files. I could probably connect the AV cable (red, white and yellow composite) to something like the Canopus ADVC 100 and just capture that way? Do you know if I could capture directly into avid using the capture tool and a unit like this?

    Best,

    Dustin

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  • Tue, Feb 24 2009 8:16 PM In reply to

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    Re: Streamclip settings .MOD

    I'm sure you could with your capture card but hell we want file transfer...since there is no firewire connection (for direct capture) I suppose the file xfer system with streamclip may be your best bet.  As to your question earlier about 422 and 411, yes indeed 411 is dv25 which is what you are editing with on your avid.  The 411 and 422 refer to the ratio of sampling (or over sampling) of the luma and chroma information.  Basically 411 is DV and perfectly servicable, 422 gives better color reproduction but at an increased file size.  When you are converting your mpeg files in streamclip you could try converting a file to dv25 or dv50, but I don't think your express will allow dv50.  Heck give it a try.  Long and the short of it, i think you have a workable workflow....

     

    cheers

     

    Greggg

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