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  • Fri, Jun 22 2007 4:30 PM

    • Bart
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    EDL Manager bug PAL/NTSC

    After installing the latest version of EDL manager (23.7) I'm having a problem importing EDL's ( cmx 3600) into my MC 2.7. When opening a PAL edl and creating a sequence of it it won't play because it says it is a NTSC sequence. At opening and importing I choose the correct frame rate (25) and project type (pal 25i). Even when I create an EDL myself from a PAL sequence, after opening and importing it back into the avid it's also converted to NTSC. I had the same problem before a year ago and fixed the problem by downgrading to 23.6.1 but it won't help this time.

    (this time I uninstalled the old version, removed the settings folder and installed 23.7)

    I have the same problem on a PC an MAC version of MC adrenaline in out company.

     

    Any idea?

     

    bart

  • Thu, Oct 11 2007 4:32 PM In reply to

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    Re: EDL Manager bug PAL/NTSC

    I have the exact same problem with 23.6.6

    Each time I try to import an EDL at 25fps it thinks it's NTSC it's really annoying. EDL manager can only be used to export EDL at 25fps but cannot be used to (re-)import them...
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  • Tue, Oct 16 2007 9:08 AM In reply to

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    Re: EDL Manager bug PAL/NTSC

    So nobody knows how to fix this?
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  • Tue, Oct 16 2007 1:02 PM In reply to

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    Re: EDL Manager bug PAL/NTSC

    Hi

    This is definitely a bug in EDL Manager, and it's been there for a while now.

    We filed a bug report with Avid Sweden at least a year ago, but nothing has
    happened yet, except for their sales staff calling us a few weeks ago asking
    how to get around the bug. I don't know why we're paying for Avid Assurance...

    There is a simple (but temporary) solution:
    Install an ancient version of edl manager. 22.2.1 should be ok.

    Best regards

    Johan Hansson, Sweden
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  • Tue, Oct 16 2007 1:38 PM In reply to

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    Re: EDL Manager bug PAL/NTSC

    I just tried with 23.6.1 and I got the same problem the source EDL was :


    TITLE: UNTITLED1

    001  0001     V     C        00:00:02:11 00:00:04:17 00:00:02:11 00:00:04:17

    * FROM CLIP NAME:  0001.tif

    * FROM CLIP IS A STILL

    002  0002     V     C        00:00:08:09 00:00:11:07 00:00:08:09 00:00:11:07

    * FROM CLIP NAME:  0002.tif

    * FROM CLIP IS A STILL

    once imported it becomes :


    TITLE:   UNTITLED1

    FCM: NON-DROP FRAME

    001  0001     V     C        00:00:02:11 00:00:04:17 08:48:02:14 08:48:04:20

    * FROM CLIP NAME:  0001.TIF

    * FROM CLIP IS A STILL

    002  0002     V     C        00:00:08:09 00:00:11:07 08:48:08:12 08:48:11:10

    * FROM CLIP NAME:  0002.TIF

    * FROM CLIP IS A STILL

    if I try to import it in a 25i pal project it creates NTSC master clips...
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  • Tue, Oct 16 2007 2:21 PM In reply to

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    Re: EDL Manager bug PAL/NTSC


    Sorry, wrong version...

    22.2.1 works for us, taken from XPPRO 5.2.4


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  • Tue, Oct 16 2007 3:02 PM In reply to

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    Re: EDL Manager bug PAL/NTSC

    Ok thanks :)

    Does the fact of using an older version (than the one supplied with our installation of MC 2.6.6) cause other problems?
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  • Tue, Oct 16 2007 3:28 PM In reply to

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    Re: EDL Manager bug PAL/NTSC


    We've been using 22.2.1 since MC 2.6, and it seems pretty stable.
    If it worries you, install it on a different machine and create an OMF from your edl.

    Update:
    Just installed EDL Manager 23.7.5 (comes with MC 2.7.5), and found that the
    ntsc/pal bug is still there. Downgraded to 22.2.1 again which solved the problem.


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  • Thu, Oct 18 2007 11:14 AM In reply to

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    Re: EDL Manager bug PAL/NTSC

    We installed 22.2.1 on one of our stations to make tests. I noticed a difference between this old version and the new ones:

    The "Project Type" button is missing! So EDL manager is always set to30i  NTSC and we can't change it... The current project type is displayed when you (re)select the current settings in the EDL window.
    The "project type" button is still mentioned in the help though...
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  • Wed, Feb 13 2008 2:04 PM In reply to

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    Re: EDL Manager bug PAL/NTSC

    If you decompose the "NTSC" sequence the EDL manager creates the clips are infact Pal. Once decomposed the sequence also becomes Pal and can be loaded into the timeline. Very strange.
  • Thu, Feb 21 2008 1:36 PM In reply to

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    Re: EDL Manager bug PAL/NTSC

    We are working with MCA 2.5.1 since its release date and used the EDL Manager delivered in this package without any problems so far, but on monday i was not able to create properly working EDLs. After checking the EDLs by re-importing them into our system the sequence always looks damaged. the original timeline length was exactly 38 seconds and after re-importing it only had 30 seconds and 2 frames. all dissolves were damaged and the timing of all edits was wrong. during hours of checking and re-installing the system, I had a look at the AVID forum and noticed that other users have the same problems for now nearly one and a half year. so i am wondering if there is an official solution from AVID available now. If there is no solution (patch, bugfix, etc.) I would like to know if there is any other way to get working PAL EDLs from my projects.

    I although tested making EDLs with MC Software 2.7.7 and the latest MC Software 2.8. but it was the same as with the MCA 2.5.1. So it seems that the problem also exists with the latest Software-Only versions of Media Composer and not only with the Media Composer Adrenaline.

    I am hoping someone has a quick solution as we need working EDLs.

    thank you in advance,
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  • Mon, Feb 25 2008 12:37 AM In reply to

    Re: EDL Manager bug PAL/NTSC

    Sin:
    If you decompose the "NTSC" sequence the EDL manager creates the clips are infact Pal.


    sin is right. I experienced the same NTSC issue trying to make an EDL transfer from FCP to MCA. The imported PAL sequence in MCA was suddenly NTSC, but decomposing it results into a PAL sequence and batch digitize was frame accurate to the former FCP sequence.

    Well, as sin said, the solution is: DECOMPOSE IT!!!

    pixel
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