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  • Wed, Feb 6 2019 12:09 PM

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    Dealing with polywav audio – please Avid, can we sort this out!

    So for years now, we’ve been working with audio that is delivered from sound recordists in either a polywav format or lots of single wavs. Typical track layout will be:

    Track 1: Mix L

    Track 2: Mix R

    Track 3: Boom

    Track 4: Contributor 1 radio mic

    Track 5: Contributor 2 radio mic

    Track 6: Contributor 3 radio mic

    etc.

     

    I work on shows where there are sometimes 14 contributors – each with their own radio mic. For understandable reasons, I don’t always want to put all this audio on the timeline as a lot of the time only 2 or 3 of my contributors are on screen.

     

    Currently Avid makes it *** near impossible to identify what’s what on your timeline after you’ve laid it down. Particularly with polywavs. You can choose to show the text ‘clip tracks’ on the timeline, but this only gives you A1, A2, A3, etc. none of the metadata for the track labels is included. Most of the time I have different track layouts on different shoot days, so a track number is useless unless I continually cross-reference it with a table.

     

    My current work around is to demand mono wavs from the sound recordists. I then turn off ‘Autodetect Broadcast Wave Monophonic Groups’ in the import settings. I then have lots of clips instead of a polywav. When these come in, I can see the metadata is there, but Avid has generated a column for every track for every clip and then filled in the track column for each clip only if the track is the current track. If this sounds difficult to understand – that’s because it is difficult to understand!

     

    This is what you get…

     

    NAME                          TRACKS            TRK1    TRK2    TRK3    TRK4    TRK5    TRK6

    TEMP-6T01_1.WAV    A1                    Mix L

    TEMP-6T01_2.WAV    A2                                Mix R

    TEMP-6T01_3.WAV    A3                                            BOOM

    TEMP-6T01_4.WAV    A4                                                        JACK

    TEMP-6T01_5.WAV    A5                                                                    BOB

    TEMP-6T01_6.WAV    A6                                                                                JIM

     

    After a load of renaming clips (I add the track name to the clip name) and colouring up clips (each track a different colour – this is why I use monowavs), I finally get useful information that is translated to the timeline so that I can see what’s where.

     

    Surely Avid should be able to read the metadata from polywavs and monowavs in such a way that we can have a timeline text option ‘clip track name’?

     

    This has been unsatisfactory for far too long. I appreciate that most people are doing single camera shoots with one or two audio sources, but Media Composer is a pro product and should be operating as such. On many occasions, audio doesn’t make its way to the dubbing suite for the final mix simply because it is lost in the offline edit because editors find it too difficult to organise.

     

    In an ideal world, the polywav would be able to display each track’s name on the timeline AND you would be able to colour each track independently (rather than the whole clip) so that you can easily identify what’s on your timeline.

     

    I have more than 1 crate of beer sitting here waiting for someone at avid taking the reins on this and sorting it out!

  • Wed, Feb 6 2019 6:22 PM In reply to

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    Re: Dealing with polywav audio – please Avid, can we sort this out!

    Lex

    Can I get the version of MC you are using and the OS so I can attempt to reprouce this.  Also are you able to send a polywav or wave file or attach on to this thread so I can try that.  if not you can email me

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  • Wed, Feb 6 2019 8:07 PM In reply to

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    Re: Dealing with polywav audio – please Avid, can we sort this out!

    There’s been FRs related to this previously...

    http://community.avid.com/forums/t/160919.aspx

     

    https://community.avid.com/forums/t/119494.aspx - interesting approach renaming source files to get metadata as clip text in timeline 

    https://community.avid.com/forums/t/182560.aspx

     

     

  • Thu, Feb 7 2019 9:46 AM In reply to

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    Re: Dealing with polywav audio – please Avid, can we sort this out!

    That feature would be really nice in offline, pullling the embedded recorder track layout and having it as a selectabe display would be great.

    I suppose there would need to be a character limit but thats a cool idea and i would think very welome by offline editors!

  • Thu, Feb 7 2019 2:02 PM In reply to

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    Re: Dealing with polywav audio – please Avid, can we sort this out!

    Hi Trevor

     

    Thanks - yeah I've read through all of them over the years and settled on my workaround, which is very similar. I'm just getting frustrated that there needs to be a workaround.

     

    Marianna - thanks. This is every version of Avid ever on every OS, but I'll happily send you some examples of what I'm talking about!

  • Sun, Feb 10 2019 5:26 PM In reply to

    Re: Dealing with polywav audio – please Avid, can we sort this out!

    TrevorA:

    https://community.avid.com/forums/t/119494.aspx - interesting approach renaming source files to get metadata as clip text in timeline 

    Thanks for posting... I totally forgot about that little gem.... and it still works.

    Here’s a link to a detailed PVC post (including great links) that’s all about this audio meta data stuff, across various NLE’s including MC.

    https://www.provideocoalition.com/adobe-and-avid-need-to-support-ixml-metadata-for-audio-channels-in-the-timeline/

    The Avid part of PVC’s article’s discussion is relevant to this thread.

     

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  • Mon, Feb 11 2019 9:43 AM In reply to

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    Re: Dealing with polywav audio – please Avid, can we sort this out!

    That's a really great link that goes into a lot of detail. Interesting that others (even the more prosumer products) in the market are taking this seriously.

    Come on avid. It's clear that we've been asking for this for years. This isn't even something that we should need to be asking for. We deal with metadata on nearly everything and it's shameful that we can't use really basic metadata from our sound guys in our edits without creating long and painful workarounds.

    PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE can we put a team on this and sort it as a priority.

  • Mon, Feb 11 2019 8:14 PM In reply to

    Re: Dealing with polywav audio – please Avid, can we sort this out!

    lextv:
    PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE can we put a team on this and sort it as a priority.

    Please.

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  • Thu, Feb 14 2019 12:03 PM In reply to

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    Re: Dealing with polywav audio – please Avid, can we sort this out!

    NEW WORKAROUND

     

    So while we wait, I've developed a new workaround. It's a little python script that will take a folder full of mixer labelled mono wavs, looks at the metadata and renames them so that they start with the name of the track. It also fixes a track numbers above 9 issue when the mixer starts calling them _A, _B, _C instead of _10, _11, _12.

    So XXXXX-4T04_D becomes HARRY_XXXXX-4T04_13

    Instructions at the top of the script!

     

    https://drive.google.com/open?id=1nCwJ28Nah0Vq7MHX_GH1b_VHeBfZdqne

    (v0.2b update - ammended to deal with polywavs split up with BWF manager)

  • Sat, Mar 16 2019 8:41 PM In reply to

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    Re: Dealing with polywav audio – please Avid, can we sort this out!

    Hi all

    For those interested, I've developed the workaround into an app.

    Check out

    https://lextv.uk/bwfwavrename/

    Please drop a comment if it's useful or if you have a better idea! And pass it on if it's useful!

  • Fri, Mar 27 2020 6:34 PM In reply to

    Re: Dealing with polywav audio – please Avid, can we sort this out!

    WoW Thanks! The "ingesters" will love this.

     

    I just can't find the BWFWave module to install (can you point where I can find it? pip don't find it too)

    Thanks

    Be safe!

  • Sat, Mar 28 2020 10:16 AM In reply to

    • lextv
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    Re: Dealing with polywav audio – please Avid, can we sort this out!

    Not sure what you're referring to. What is it you're trying to do?

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