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  • Mon, Jan 21 2019 12:58 PM

    • Adrian Redmond
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    Importing photos/graphics with a higher resolution than the project

    I'm looking for a way to handle images in a way that is similart to tjhat which was possible in Liquid :)

    In liquid - even on projects that were SD 720x576 pixels, it was possible to import a still shot or graphic that had a mich higher resoultion/pixel dimension - by default the imported icon shows the centre 720x576 pixels of the image, but the entire image was still available for effgects work, so that one could zoom/pan around the image as resuired. This has the advantage that shouts that one knew would be zoomed in on, would be imported in a much high resolution, whereafter one could use the effects editor to zoom out to full size, then zoom in to a detail, without it being very pixelated. Liquid was brilliant at this and I regularly handled imnages up to 7000 pixels wide.

    I cantø see if this is possible in Avid, it appears that the image, when imported, is always reduced to the project raster size on it longest side, so any subsequent zooming - espeically when handling images that don't match the landscape 16:9 format - will suffer from resolution degradation.

    Any suggestions or better ideas of how to handle this in Avid (8.5.3) would be welcome?

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  • Mon, Jan 21 2019 1:28 PM In reply to

    Re: Importing photos/graphics with a higher resolution than the project

    The effect/technique you're looking for is the Pan & Zoom effect, which allows you to bring in images at their full resolution. There are about a zillion tutorials and guides on the web about how to use it. The effect can be difficult to get at first, so I'd suggest having a look at a few of them.

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  • Mon, Jan 21 2019 1:38 PM In reply to

    • smrpix
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    Re: Importing photos/graphics with a higher resolution than the project

    A workaround I frequently use is to switch the resolution of my project to something larger than I'm using, import the stills at that higher resolution, switch back down and use frameflex to do my moves.

    I'm aware of the drawbacks, but in most cases it's more than adequate.  (For more complex or precise stuff -- it's over to After Effects.)

  • Mon, Jan 21 2019 1:46 PM In reply to

    • Adrian Redmond
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    Re: Importing photos/graphics with a higher resolution than the project

    Thanks again to all who replied - I have seen a few tutorials on this and it seems logical, but netiher tutorial referred to the actual image import process - does on need to import the image in a particualr way to be able to apply a subsequent pan and zoom effect?

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  • Mon, Jan 21 2019 3:35 PM In reply to

    Re: Importing photos/graphics with a higher resolution than the project

    Adrian Redmond:
    does on need to import the image in a particualr way to be able to apply a subsequent pan and zoom effect?

    No, the initial import is just a placeholder to use as a reference when you're applying the effect to the high-res image. In short, it goes:

    1. Apply P&Z effect to any video clip on the timeline. It doesn't matter what it is. (It may even work on filler, but I can't remember for sure and I'm not in front of a machine to play with it.)

    2. In effects mode, point the effect to the high-resolution image. This is the step where you choose the high-resolution image you want to use.

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  • Mon, Jan 21 2019 3:45 PM In reply to

    • gswilson
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    Re: Importing photos/graphics with a higher resolution than the project

    Images for Pan & Zoom don't need to be imported, they are referenced and need to be kept in the same place on a computer at all times.

    Some users, myself included, do import the images in the normal way and insert them on the Timeline so that it's easy to view the image name/number if required.

    The P&Z effect is then added on a filler track directly above the imported image.

     

    Here's one of the many Tutorials explaining the process: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_dRxw2PfhE

     

    Here's another, longer, one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XItn21jnJs4&t=0s&list=PLCD65D3F80915B431&index=84

     

    Added: Looks as though Carl and I were typing at the same time. Geeked

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  • Tue, Jan 22 2019 9:12 PM In reply to

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    Re: Importing photos/graphics with a higher resolution than the project

    Thanks for all the good replies on this topic - it was easy to work out once I had your pointers to start with. Though I must admit, it does seem a cack-handed way of handling the task - being able to import larger images direct to a bin and to the timeline, and then manipulate with effects is in my humble opinion much easier on the brain. And if FAST could get it to work in 1999 on a Dual Pentium 3 500MHz set up, I'm sure todays platforms could handle it :)

    But I have run a little experiment, importing an image direct to project raster size, laying it on the timeline, and then doing the same image the pan and zoom way, setting the size to only the project raster - in my opinion the second method gives better results, even though with both routes the original 3500+ pixels image is sized down. So Pan and Zoom effect is also doing something that makes a better interpolation, even whgen its not panning and zooming :)

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  • Tue, Jan 22 2019 10:45 PM In reply to

    Re: Importing photos/graphics with a higher resolution than the project

    I would like to know which Pan & Zoom filter you decided to use for your experiment... and how you brought in the file, Link or Legacy Import and if so, which settings.?

     

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  • Wed, Jan 23 2019 5:57 PM In reply to

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    Re: Importing photos/graphics with a higher resolution than the project

    I've been following this. Why wouldn't you use AvidFX/BorisRED? It's fast and easy to import higher res images and create keyframes with various path behaviors. Bit of a render hog, but otherwise mmy goto for the "Ken Burns" effect clients like to ask for...like he invented it. :) 

     

     

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  • Fri, Jan 25 2019 10:58 PM In reply to

    • Leo153
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    Re: Importing photos/graphics with a higher resolution than the project

    This plug-in is made for hi-res images.

    Easy to use with great results. It's called Moving Pictures:

    http://www.stagetools.com/

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