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  • Fri, Mar 23 2018 9:15 PM

    • Atomike
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    Effects Influencing ALL Layers Below [Open Letter to Avid]

    So I've spent yet another afternoon fighting with Media Composer because applying an effect will always make that effect influence everything below it.  Why?  Again, no editor ever in the history of time wanted the timeline to work in this unbearable counter-intuitive way.

    Is there even a plan to EVER fix the effect structure? 

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  • Sat, Mar 24 2018 7:53 AM In reply to

    • luca.mg
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    Re: Effects Influencing ALL Layers Below [Open Letter to Avid]

    How long has this been going on?

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  • Sat, Mar 24 2018 11:27 AM In reply to

    • Bruno M
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    Re: Effects Influencing ALL Layers Below [Open Letter to Avid]

    Atomike:
    Is there even a plan to EVER fix the effect structure? 

    Even if they did, there's so many other things about the way the software works that really preclude its use in any serious effects work.

    Many of the built-in effects are really long-in-the-tooth, and it's only the more modern AVX plugins from Boris etc that have saved the day.

    Avid have passed the buck with quite a few of the core elements in recent years - Newblue titler and Fusion connection are typical examples of this.

    I've always felt that no one piece of software can be good at everything and that you should choose your products accordingly. For me, it's Media Composer/Symphony for editing, After Effects for vfx/compositing, Resolve for grading, and Protools for sound. Blackmagic have tried to buck this trend by making Resolve everything to everyone and incorporating editing tools and a full DAW into its product. Since the release of version 14, has it really made inroads into the world of editing or sound? In my world most people are still editing on MC, dubbing on Protools and grading on Baselight or Resolve. Why?... because they've invested years in perfecting their skills and expertise in that piece of software. They know the quirks and workarounds; they've streamlined the round-tripping workflow and built up a relationship with both the software company and fellow professionals to continually improve the product. That's the world of broadcast TV that I know, and I suspect a similar mindset prevails in the features industry.

    As far as the corporate world is concerned, I know it's much more fluid, with people choosing to do everything on Resolve or the Adobe suite of software - or even FCP.

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  • Sat, Mar 24 2018 3:19 PM In reply to

    Re: Effects Influencing ALL Layers Below [Open Letter to Avid]

    I once had a need to re-position and scale on an Animatte cut-out, but I just couldn’t figure out how— I believe I ran into the layer issue you described 5 years ago. I searched posts here (and via Google) and saw many workarounds posted by experienced MC editors including this one, by TaT, that worked well for me...

    http://community.avid.com/forums/p/124241/712998.aspx#712998

    I posted a How-To to Tutorials & Tips based on that GREAT tip, above.

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

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  • Mon, Apr 9 2018 4:35 AM In reply to

    • dew
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    Re: Effects Influencing ALL Layers Below [Open Letter to Avid]

    MC has the worst effect setup I have ever seen. You shouldn't need to invest in other software to work some basic effect functions in this database and age. Of course u can use AE for indepth effect work but PPro is still usable for what would be basic effects at this point. I doubt it will change but I seriously wish they would just redo how effects work. A simple rotation on track 5 should not affect tracks 4-1

  • Mon, Apr 9 2018 6:26 AM In reply to

    Re: Effects Influencing ALL Layers Below [Open Letter to Avid]

    dew:
    A simple rotation on track 5 should not affect tracks 4-1
    Throw a Picture-In-Picture on it, promote that to 3D, rotate, scale.

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  • Mon, Apr 9 2018 12:58 PM In reply to

    • TVJohn
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    Re: Effects Influencing ALL Layers Below [Open Letter to Avid]

    Even Vegas Pro, you have simple ICONs to turn individual FX on or off on both single clip or single track basis.

     

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