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  • Wed, Nov 2 2016 9:36 AM In reply to

    • David Clarke
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    Re: Main reason to avoid Windows 10

    No, this is just using Windows 10 as it comes "out the box". 

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  • Wed, Nov 2 2016 9:54 AM In reply to

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    Re: Main reason to avoid Windows 10

    Got you - that's not good. Glad I'd already turned off fast start.

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    John

    Can we go back to the way audio nodes used to be selected? Please? ie if you have audio nodes at the same time on selected tracks; then selecting 1 audio node selects them all at that time. Having to shift select nodes or add an in and out is time consuming and counter productive. At least make it an option.

  • Thu, Nov 3 2016 1:06 AM In reply to

    Re: Main reason to avoid Windows 10

    I appreciate the tips and insights on how to get Windows 10 to perform.  But the point of my original post is that once you get the OS where it's performing well with MC, I don't want to change it...and I certainly don't want Microsoft changing it automatically behind the scenes.  With all previous versions of operation systems, once I had everything working, I never updated unless there was a compelling reason to do so.  My experience on my non-Avid computer after updating to Win 10 has been a wild ride of performance getting worse after a Win 10 behind the scenes update.  I don't want that happening to my Avid system...which is why I'm staying on Win 7 Pro until I have to  

    Maybe a fresh install would have alleviated this, but Microsoft pushed it as a simple "we'll take care of it while you get a cup of coffee" proposition.

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  • Thu, Nov 3 2016 2:28 AM In reply to

    • Cagey
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    Re: Main reason to avoid Windows 10

    One very cool thing I was able to accomplish in Windows 10 without any 3rd party software:

    I resized my boot partition to a smaller size, installed a 2nd instance of Windows 10 in then unused space, rebooted to a new boot menu that lets me select which partition I want to boot from.

    It works great.  

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  • Thu, Nov 3 2016 8:32 AM In reply to

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    Re: Main reason to avoid Windows 10

    I want to add my opinion to this subject.

    There is a big difference between the users that follow the upgrade path of MC and now are somewhere in the version 8 region. If you follow that MC path, it is wise to follow also the Windows upgrade path, so you keep both within the supported areas.

    For me, and many are in the same position, I stuck with an old versions of MC (in my case 6.0.5) and this version is not supported in W10. For me no problem. As long as my PC (W7 Professional) works with my MC version, there is absolutely no need to change the OS. I have a simple laptop besides my Z400 and there I installed W10. My current MC machine will be cut from the Internet as soon as soon Microsoft stops the updates of W7. So, the Z400 will be a standalone from that moment. As long as that machine works, I feel OK, I keep my editing the way I did before. That is at the level I can accept. No 4K etc. I can live without that. And if ever I need a new NLE machine, I will decide to what the market offers at that moment. It might be MC, or Edius or something else.

     

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  • Thu, Nov 3 2016 10:16 AM In reply to

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    Re: Main reason to avoid Windows 10

    Terry, you are completely right about what was wrong with Windows 10 - pushing people to upgrade when the upgrade never worked 100% and even doing it automatically unless the opted out (which was later stopped).  It left a lot of "normal" (non video) people I know disliking Windows 10 since the upgrade made their machines a lot slower, and they gave up on it and went back to 7.  Not the result Microsoft wanted.

    But if installed properly, and if you are using a version of MC which is meant to work on Windows 10, then it is good.

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  • Thu, Nov 3 2016 2:00 PM In reply to

    Re: Main reason to avoid Windows 10

    David Clarke:
    But if installed properly, and if you are using a version of MC which is meant to work on Windows 10, then it is good.

    That's good to know.  Right now, my Z800 running Win 7 still handles MC 8.6 okay.  I don't work in 4K (because the TV stations here in the US don't accept 4K delivery for commercials) but I'll probably upgrade to a new Z8XX in a couple of years and hopefully Win 10 will be a robust and mature OS by then.   I still not crazy about the inability to turn off automatic updates.

    David Clarke:
    Not the result Microsoft wanted.

    The way Microsoft strong armed users to update was a PR disaster.   In the final days before the free update period ended, the nagging "Get Windows 10" notification popped up every 5 minues....I finally just gave in so they would stop irritating the **** out of me! Angry

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  • Thu, Nov 3 2016 3:35 PM In reply to

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    Re: Main reason to avoid Windows 10

    Maybe more annoying was that while they pushed the OS, they gave no information about the spyware and keylogger that was imbedded in their new OS. I don't know what sort of warning is given, about the information collected, as you instal Win 10 but I can't imagine a business would want that information and their customers information to be going to Microsoft on a regular basis. It may well be harmless and Microsoft may be completely trustworthy, it just seems very odd. There was also the issue of 'features' that turn themselves back on through updates, after being disabled.

    Maybe Win 10 will get less intrusive over time, I hope so.

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    Re: Main reason to avoid Windows 10

    Just to note, you can turn the keylogger and other big brother features off. It's in Start->Settings->Privacy. Under the General section is where you turn off the keylogger (Send Microsoft Infor...), and the Speech, Inking and typing section you select Stop Getting to Know Me. You can also disable things like Apps looking at your account info, Emails, Messages, etc. It's a good place to look at what things can do without your knowledge.

    I've got all of this stuff turned off on my system. For my editing system, I also disable most of the apps that can run in the background.

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  • Thu, Nov 3 2016 4:21 PM In reply to

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    Re: Main reason to avoid Windows 10

    The "ultimate windows tweaker" is also a good program to add an will help you turn off lots of stuff:

    http://www.thewindowsclub.com/list-of-tweaks-available-in-uwt4

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  • Fri, Nov 4 2016 2:17 AM In reply to

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    Re: Main reason to avoid Windows 10

    Terry Snyder:
    The way Microsoft strong armed users to update was a PR disaster.   In the final days before the free update period ended, the nagging "Get Windows 10" notification popped up every 5 minues....I finally just gave in so they would stop irritating the **** out of me! Angry

    Terry I agree 100% - however the only point of my previous post was if you followed the advice of the upgrade assistant it flagged incompatible hardware quite well. Which was the point of your original post - you had hardware for which there were no W10 drivers. That should have been flagged by the upgrade assistant? Clearly it wasn't in your case. Shame because your experience might have been a whole lot better.

     

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    John

    Can we go back to the way audio nodes used to be selected? Please? ie if you have audio nodes at the same time on selected tracks; then selecting 1 audio node selects them all at that time. Having to shift select nodes or add an in and out is time consuming and counter productive. At least make it an option.

  • Fri, Nov 4 2016 3:34 AM In reply to

    Re: Main reason to avoid Windows 10

    Mondo:
    Which was the point of your original post - you had hardware for which there were no W10 drivers.

    Actually, the point of my original post was about the inability to control Windows 10 automatically updating...and why that's not a good thing for a workstation running a program like Avid.   I don't mind doing the necessary tweaking when first moving to a new OS--downloading and installing the correct drivers, etc.--but once I've got things humming along I have an expectation they will continue that way unless I--as the end user and owner of the computer--decide to make a change.  

    I have been able to tweak the settings in Win 10 to get most of my performance back--until Win 10 does another periodic automatic upgrade.  I've come to dread the notice that tells me Windows has installed new updates and will restart.  Invariably, performance drops after the update and I have to go back and re-tweak a bunch of settings.   Microsoft should offer the ability to opt out of updates--as they've always done before Win 10.   My Avid is the source of my livelihood and I can't afford to keep re-tweaking my workstation every time Windows does a behind the scenes update.

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  • Fri, Nov 4 2016 6:40 AM In reply to

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    Re: Main reason to avoid Windows 10

    Terry Snyder:
    Actually, the point of my original post was about the inability to control Windows 10 automatically updating...and why that's not a good thing for a workstation running a program like Avid. 

     

    Ahhh -OK got you. And agree. There are two ways around this. You can set your connection to metered and MS will never download an update until you set it to unmetered. You may need a registry hack to do this if you are on a network (who isn't).

    If you are using Pro version of windows (I am) You can stop automatic updates using the Group Policy editor. About half way down the linked page. This returns windows to my prefered way of operating where I can download updates and then choose to install them when and if it suits me.

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    John

    Can we go back to the way audio nodes used to be selected? Please? ie if you have audio nodes at the same time on selected tracks; then selecting 1 audio node selects them all at that time. Having to shift select nodes or add an in and out is time consuming and counter productive. At least make it an option.

  • Fri, Nov 4 2016 9:54 AM In reply to

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    Re: Main reason to avoid Windows 10

    I had a look at the group poolicy editor section you mentioned and it says:

    "Editor’s Note: This option, while it still exists, seems to no longer work in the Anniversary Update for Windows 10, but we’ve left it here in case anyone wants to try it. Proceed at your own risk."

    Does it work for you using Windows 10 anniversary or have you not yet updated?

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  • Fri, Nov 4 2016 12:16 PM In reply to

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    Re: Main reason to avoid Windows 10

    Please read the thread that I linked earlier on, there's info about an MS utility to avoid the automatic install of unwanted updates; sorry, I'm currently cutting on a Mac and can't be more precise.

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