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  • Sat, Sep 17 2016 7:25 PM

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    Is There No Longer a Free Version for Video Editing?

    On this page;

    http://www.avid.com/solutions/video-editing/for-home-studios

    It states "Edit video using a free version of the software used by Oscar- and Emmy-winning editors"

    However the only product listed is ProTools which is an audio editor. 

    Did they discontinue this "free" product and just were too lazy to update the rest of the wording on the page or am I missing something?

     

     

  • Tue, Sep 20 2016 4:16 PM In reply to

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    Re: Is There No Longer a Free Version for Video Editing?

    The wording is premature. Avid is developing a free version of Media Composer called Media Compiser First, but it seems to have been heavily delayed. As far as I know it's still planned for release, but don't bother asking when.

    See the MC First forum HERE for more information (if and when).

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  • Wed, Sep 21 2016 1:32 AM In reply to

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    Re: Is There No Longer a Free Version for Video Editing?

    It is absolutely a proven fact that Avid Marketing is on an island, and does whatever they want to do or announce, making the job much harder than it should be for Avid's employees and customers.  If you hear it from Marianne, it is the gospel.  If you hear it from Marketing, it is fiction.

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    Re: Is There No Longer a Free Version for Video Editing?

    vpcmike:
     If you hear it from Marianne, it is the gospel.  If you hear it from Marketing, it is fiction.

    I tend to agree.  My personal feeling is that the creation of the Media Composer First forum doomed it to non-existence. 

    Prove me wrong.

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    Re: Is There No Longer a Free Version for Video Editing?

    jcrist1027:

    On this page;

    http://www.avid.com/solutions/video-editing/for-home-studios

    It states "Edit video using a free version of the software used by Oscar- and Emmy-winning editors"

    However the only product listed is ProTools which is an audio editor. 

    Did they discontinue this "free" product and just were too lazy to update the rest of the wording on the page or am I missing something?

     

     

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  • Wed, Sep 21 2016 9:17 PM In reply to

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    Re: Is There No Longer a Free Version for Video Editing?

    Personally, I think if you want free, you're FAR better off looking at either Lightworks or DaVinci Resolve. They will likely have all the features you need, and there is very little chance that the management overseeing either product will suddenly pull the rug out from under either one. Avid has a very poor track record with its free products. 

    They made a crippled version of Avid called AvidFreeDV, maybe 10 years ago, and it was not terrible. But then, one night, they dropped all support for it, and seemingly wished it never existed.  Now, they suddenly think a free version is a great idea.  

    If given the opportunity, I would bet cash that this new free Avid product will not be around in 5 years. Look at the priority level for this product, and I think that tells you all you need to know.

    Personally, I would rather Avid spend its programming resources adding often-requested features to its existing NLE and not waste these resources creating a new editor with even fewer features. 

    I'd love to have heard what logical reasoning brought about this seemingly backwards move.

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  • Thu, Sep 22 2016 12:24 AM In reply to

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    Re: Is There No Longer a Free Version for Video Editing?

    Atomike:
    They made a crippled version of Avid called AvidFreeDV, maybe 10 years ago....

    I remember AvidFreeDV very well. It was discontinued 9-1-2007. I was using Premiere and was looking for video editing trials for comparison. At the time (2003-2004) AvidfreeDV seemed to be the only "free" choice. Long story short is I turned these in for AvidFreeDV. Anyone switching to Premiere send me a PM and I will give you a great deal on the disks! Big Smile

     


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    Re: Is There No Longer a Free Version for Video Editing?

    Atomike:
    I'd love to have heard what logical reasoning brought about this seemingly backwards move

     

    I think the idea is to get folks used to the Avid interface early so the transition is easier when stepping up to the paid subscription version of MC.  This can be seen as a strategic move, versus the tactical moves of adding features to current MC versions.  They need to be sure, however, that this free version does not negatively affect sales on the subscrition side.  So, how do you "handicap" an introductory product so as not to affect sales, yet put enough features in there to get folks to download it and use it?  Not easy for a company that is fighting to hold market share.  MHO only.

    BMD and Apple do this with there products.  iMovie is very similar to FCPX and is free on every new Mac computer.  You can actually "promote" your iMovie project into FCPX with one click of the mouse.  Resolve is even a better deal as you don't have to buy a computer to get it.

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    Re: Is There No Longer a Free Version for Video Editing?

    I wonder who internally rides herd on this? "Delayed a bit"?? 

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  • Mon, Sep 26 2016 9:06 PM In reply to

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    Re: Is There No Longer a Free Version for Video Editing?

    switthaus:

    I think the idea is to get folks used to the Avid interface early so the transition is easier when stepping up to the paid subscription version of MC.  

     

    I agree this is what they THINK will happen. It worked SO well last time. Big Smile However, unless a free version of MC is more feature-rich than either Lightworks or Resolve, it is a comletely wasted effort. A crippled version of MC vs. two products that are nearly as good as a paid NLE.  Hmmmm.

    On a related note, I was visiting my old college last week (where I learned MC), and discovered they basically get the Adobe suite free for their students. They have exactly zero Avid seats today.

     

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  • Tue, Sep 27 2016 2:50 AM In reply to

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    Re: Is There No Longer a Free Version for Video Editing?

    Atomike:
    A crippled version of MC vs. two products that are nearly as good as a paid NLE.  Hmmmm.
    just remember that Lightworks free edition can't export to anything except youtube or vimeo, and can only export HD to vimeo (not youtube). There's no 4K export at all for the free version.

    Now Resolve on the other hand...

    I doubt that MC First will be as fully featured as Resolve. To do that, you pretty much need to be running MC. Exactly what the capabilities are for MC First is still unknown.

    BTW, for what it's worth, I own both Resolve Studio (the paid version) and Lightworks Pro (the paid version), and I predominantly edit on MC.

    Both Adobe and Apple heavily invest in the educational market, either with very low cost or free versions of their software. And for good reason. Get them hooked on a Mac (because the school requires it) and it's hard to get rid of the investment in hardware and software once you're out of school. The same goes for Adobe. My daughter is an artist and in school. She gets Photoshop and Lightroom for $10/month. That's a hard deal to beat.

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  • Tue, Sep 27 2016 10:32 AM In reply to

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    Re: Is There No Longer a Free Version for Video Editing?

    switthaus:

    Resolve is even a better deal as you don't have to buy a computer to get it.

    But of limited utility without one.  ;)

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  • Tue, Sep 27 2016 4:51 PM In reply to

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    Re: Is There No Longer a Free Version for Video Editing?

    Atomike:
    I was visiting my old college last week (where I learned MC), and discovered they basically get the Adobe suite free for their students.

    Adobe actually reached out to our university and is hosting myself and a colleague at Adobe Max and EduMax the first week in November (along with many others from academia, I assume).  Investigating site licenses like we have with Lynda.com.  Who is pushing initiatives like this at Avid?

    I have never been a huge fan of Premiere, love AE and use PS for little things, but this latest release of CC is making me adjust my thinking a bit on Pr.  FCPX is still my go-to, but at least I won't loathe working on Premiere now.  No Avid suites around anymore, at least to rent 4-wall...incredibly sad thing to observe.

    Atomike:
    They have exactly zero Avid seats today.

    As painful as it is to say, I can see the logic in that decision.  It feels like Premier and FCPX have the momentum and opportunities for young editors.  MHOO.

     

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  • Tue, Sep 27 2016 5:35 PM In reply to

    Re: Is There No Longer a Free Version for Video Editing?

    Hi,

    I'll try to summarize in this post commenting on a few of the issues discussed here. 

    Yes, we are developing Media Composer First, yes it was delayed but engineering is working on the product now.  It was delayed because we implemented an end to end workflow for Panasonic Long G.  We were getting many, many requests for support for this codec and we went off and implemented it.  

    Now, you may think, who cares about this Long G for EDU? Well, the answer is you probably do.  We did a lot of performance enhancements with codec caching that will improve performance. We can't have students struggling with bad playback for media.  Additionally, in the releases for LongG we also implemented some of the features that will help with Media Composer First, including menu simplification and source browser.  These are very key elements to make Media Composer easier to use for our existing and new First customers.  There are more items you will see in coming Media Composer versions around simplification of the product.  

    Of course, we want to ship the First as soon as possible.  But, we also want to make sure the choices we made for features will be useful to create real programs.  With that, we are working with EDU clients to get it right.  We know the business, we know what other people are doing in this area and we want to get it right.  Media Composer is the gold standard for editing and we want to make sure we continue this with Media Composer First.

    For freemium, We also have a lot of experience in this area with Pro Tools First and that has been crazy successful.  100's of thousands of downloads on PT First and we expect the same on Media Composer.  It's unfair to say Avid is not in college's and universities.  We already have a  large presence in EDU.  Maybe you are not seeing it. Even with that,  we have a very large initiative at Avid to make more inroads into EDU for students and college's and universities. Louis's is directly involved in this program as his passion is around education and students.  We are not sitting idle, there is a lot going on at Avid, I didn't even mention Sibelius, iNews and news workflows with Interplay, consoles, Pro Tools in EDU.  We have large installations of these products today.  Look for Media Composer First soon! Thanks for listening!

     

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  • Thu, Sep 29 2016 5:19 PM In reply to

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    Re: Is There No Longer a Free Version for Video Editing?

    Dave Avid PM:

     We know the business, we know what other people are doing in this area and we want to get it right.  

    It's unfair to say Avid is not in college's and universities.  We already have a  large presence in EDU.  Maybe you are not seeing it. Even with that,  we have a very large initiative at Avid to make more inroads into EDU for students and college's and universities. Louis's is directly involved in this program as his passion is around education and students.  

    I really appreciate this response. However, it's fundamentally, from its very foundations, doomed to failure, and a 100% waste of Avid's time, resources, and man-hours.

    Adobe is getting their FULL, complete, same-as-professional suite out there for students to use. If you graduated yeserday from Adobe U, you have zero learning-curve as you start working as an editor. I realise its hard to know or tell how many universities are using Adobe vs. MC, but this is not even a close competition anymore. I'm glad Louis cares about eduction and students. Caring and winning are vastly different. Everyone with a history in this industry would tell him that the priority really should have been keeping MC a bleeding-edge editor that is far ahead of the pack.

    That's what students and universities want to use.  A free version of Avid that's worse that MC can ONLY be successful with hobbyists. That's its only market. If you made MC the best editing tool on the market, and then gave it away to universities, then you have a way to appeal to students.  The current approach is 100% not a well-thought-out strategy. I really hope that some day Avid will hire some leadership who has worked in the industry.

    How about if we could have menus that are readable on a 4K screen before we start thinking about ruling Universities? Maybe answer that question first. Have a good talk about it. Tell us why that's a crazy thought. If Louis really wants help with this, I've said before I would take his call. This can maybe be fixed, but the situation at Avid is nearly broken - given its current trajectory. 

    Avid is a working very hard right now to become ONLY a media-sharing/store company, and that makes me quite sad.

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