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  • Sat, Apr 11 2015 2:31 PM

    • Robb Albrecht
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    Thoughts on this workflow?

    Hi All,

    New Avid user here so bear with me. I'm diving into the Avid pool and I'm really loving how the editing works, don't know why I didn't switch sooner. One question on this workflow I've been using though. It seems like a lot of steps - which is fine - but maybe someone has a couple thoughts on what I'm doing here. 

    I have a USB drive with ProRes HQ camera masters on it so I AMA Link and bring in the footage to a bin.

    I'm going to edit in DNxHD 145 (ProRes clips didn't play very well) so I create a bin called "footage_DNxHD145" and option drag clips from the AMA Link bin in to this new bin. From here I transcode to 145 and I get new clips with a .new.01 extention added to the title. 

    The footage imports, I quit Avid, and eject the USB drive. When I restart Avid all clips in the AMA Linked bin clips are offline - no problem there, I expected that. Now in the "footage_DNxHD145" bin I relink to the AMA clips that I option-dragged in and I'm off and editing with the new DNxHD clips.

    So about those clips that have the .new.01 tag on the file name.... Can I delete those without majorly screwing something up?

     

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  • Sat, Apr 11 2015 2:48 PM In reply to

    • smrpix
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    Re: Thoughts on this workflow?

    It will work, but it's not a great idea.  First, if you ever hook the USB drive back up to your machine the originally AMA'd clips will revert to AMA, automatically replacing the footage in all your edits whether you want it to or not.

    Second, if you insist on following this path, make sure when you delete the .new clips you only delete the master clips, not the media.  But the only thing you're really accomplishing is making it a little more difficult to find those sources if you ever need them.  Avid certainly knows they're there even if you can't see them in a bin.

    Best to edit with the .new clips and stick the AMA sources in a bin that's out of the way of your daily workflow.

  • Sat, Apr 11 2015 3:10 PM In reply to

    • Greg K
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    Re: Thoughts on this workflow?

    What we did on our last feature film with around 4 TB of ProRes 4444 footage:

     

    We created a folder for assisting purposes, normally with an XY at the beginning of the name thus it appears at the bottom of the project window.

    In that folder we had 26 bins with one bin for each shooting day.

    In each of those bins the ProRes 4444 footage was imported via AMA Link, then transcoded to DNxHD 36 for editing.

    Those newly transcoded clips where then moved to a new assisting bin for synching and the audio was moved in there as well.

    That new bin was scene dependant, thus only video and audio from that scene were in there.

    Using the TimeCode every audio and video clip were auto-synched and new clips were created.

    Those sync clips where then moved into bins for the editor, again scene dependant, they were also renamed to mirror the scene and take name.

     

    Upon the finished edit, the sequence was copied and video made offline (not necessary, but helped in this situation).

    All 26 AMA bins were opened (necessary in the version we used back then) and then the sequence was relinked to the AMA clips. It worked rather flawlessly, but that was also due to being a straightforward non-multicam project with only one assistant and one editor, thus no crap accumulated over the five months it was edited on the side.

     

    That way we could export the sequence as AAF for colour grading and what not for DaVinci Resolve.

     

    I hope that helped a bit.

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  • Sat, Apr 11 2015 3:36 PM In reply to

    • Robb Albrecht
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    Re: Thoughts on this workflow?

    Thanks for the reply, smrpix.

    So it sounds like the "option-drag to a new bin" part isn't really necessary then. I can transcode from my original AMA bin then move the .new.01 clips to a working bin and edit from there. 

     

    Greg, yep super helpful. I'll be getting into larger projects in the future. 

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  • Sat, Apr 11 2015 3:38 PM In reply to

    • Greg K
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    Re: Thoughts on this workflow?

    Yep.

     

    The less duplicates the better.

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  • Sat, Apr 11 2015 3:41 PM In reply to

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    Re: Thoughts on this workflow?

    Gotcha. 

     

    Thanks, guys. Yes

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  • Sat, Apr 11 2015 3:58 PM In reply to

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    Re: Thoughts on this workflow?

    One more question. 

     

    Is it ok to rename clips in the bin? In the past, renaming clips in a Final Cut bin has been troublesome - especially ones from P2 cameras. 

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  • Sat, Apr 11 2015 4:05 PM In reply to

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    Re: Thoughts on this workflow?

    As I pointed out in my post, I had not problems renaming the synched clips.

     

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  • Sat, Apr 11 2015 4:07 PM In reply to

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    Re: Thoughts on this workflow?

    It's absolutely fine to rename clips in the bin.  Avid's media management is more robust than others.  Do avoid special characters that can be misinterpreted on exports and across platforms -- particularly /\?$@#  (No, I'm not swearing at you.)  Traditional scene/take numbering, for example, can be something like "45A/2" use "45A-2" instead.

  • Sat, Apr 11 2015 5:52 PM In reply to

    Re: Thoughts on this workflow?

    Why transcode to DNxHD?  Consolidate would be faster - ProResHQ is already Avid-native.  Could save time.

    Always fine to rename clips in bins.  If you ever need to know where it came from, enable the "Source Path" and "Source File" columns in your bins.  You'll realize that Avid knows EXACTLY which file your clip refers to.

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  • Sat, Apr 11 2015 9:53 PM In reply to

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    Re: Thoughts on this workflow?

    Hmm. Faster would be better. The transcoding is taking quite a bit of time. 

    I played a ProResHQ clip in AMC and it was pretty sluggish but I can't remember how I ended up with it in my bin. I may have tried to play it as AMA linked, would that matter?

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  • Sun, Apr 12 2015 12:17 AM In reply to

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    Re: Thoughts on this workflow?

    The reason to transcode is to have less media while in the offline stage.  Plus, if you shot ProRes 444 and consolidate, you will need faster storage as well as a LOT more of it.

    But if you are shooting on a less space hungry codec, consolidateing is not a bad way to go at all.  Saves time at the top and tail.

    Jef

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  • Sun, Apr 12 2015 12:54 AM In reply to

    Re: Thoughts on this workflow?

    AMA linking could matter, yes - Avid native media, even consolidated, will practically always perform better than AMA media.

    For ProResHQ sources, it's true that DNxHD145 would be smaller - because ProResHQ is roughly the equivalent to DNxHD220 - so you're looking about 1.5x the file size of DNxHD145.  And that higher data rate might choke the storage bandwidth, as jef says.

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  • Sun, Apr 12 2015 2:07 AM In reply to

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    Re: Thoughts on this workflow?

    I would further suggest going to the smallest data rate possible for offline with the following restrictions; Same Frame Size and Same Frame Rate as source.  This really simplifies online and finishing.

    DNx HD 36 looks really good in 23.98 sourced projects.  DNx 100 is good looking as well for interlaced projecd (just understand the raster size change and how it might impact you). Plus it is easier on the computer than AVC Intra 100 for editing.

    I would also say stay with I frame codecs for offline.  Long GOP is for acquisition not editing.

    Jef

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  • Sun, Apr 12 2015 4:39 PM In reply to

    • Robb Albrecht
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    Re: Thoughts on this workflow?

    Quick update. 

     

    All my footage is in and I'm starting to edit with the DNx145 files. Yay!

    Just for curisoity I drag and dropped one of the ProResHQ files from the finder into a bin window - ala Final Cut Pro - and after a quick import the clip played pretty well. I guess I should have tried that first. Not sure what Avid did to it. 

     

    Thanks again for the suggestions and thoughts, guys. 

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