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  • Mon, Mar 24 2014 11:14 PM

    • ceciwork
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    best affordable storage solution?

    I am purchasing a new Mac and am researching a storage solution.

     

    I usually work on a rented Nitris for feature films, hooked up to an Isis.  I would like a home set-up.

     

    I will probably purchase a MBP w/retina 15" top of the line with the NVIDIA 2GB card.

     

    I have media on old FW 800 drives, Digital 8/Hi-8, Beta SP and am thinking I would like to edit in uncompressed SD and upres at the end.  I would like to have my material properly backed up and/or redundant with a RAID.

     

    Any suggestions for what would be a reliable and affordable set-up for storage?

     

    Using the Avid media calculator, looks like I might need about 3TB, but would like to have plenty of extra room for concurrent other projects, so maybe 5-8TB?

     

    Thanks in advance for your input!

     

    Best,

    Ceci

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  • Tue, Mar 25 2014 1:25 PM In reply to

    Re: best affordable storage solution?

    It depends on your workflow and needs. A portable 2 single drive USB 3 drive is good enough to handle most compressed HD formats such as HDV, XDCAM, XVAC, AVC-I and even DNX 220.

    But for higher stream count and formats with higher demand you may want to look at Thunberbolt based RAIDs.

     

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  • Wed, Mar 26 2014 7:30 PM In reply to

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    Re: best affordable storage solution?

    Thanks so much!

     

    If I want to use uncompressed SD media, will USB 3 be fast enough, even if not in a RAID?

     

    I am considering getting a thunderbolt RAID and use RAID 1 or 5 to maximize speed/redundancy for the future (if not currently) but it does seem a bit pricey right now...

  • Wed, Mar 26 2014 7:50 PM In reply to

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    ceciwork:

     

    If I want to use uncompressed SD media, will USB 3 be fast enough, even if not in a RAID?

    USB 3 itself is more than fast enough for multi stream uncompressed SD video. The question is if the drive inside your USB 3 carrier is fast enough. Most modern single spinning 3.5" drives is about 50-120 MB/s. Uncompressed SD is about 20-28 MB/s per stream.

    Consumer SSD is about 325-525 MB/s.

     

    RAID 5 is probably the best configuration for private use.

     

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  • Wed, Mar 26 2014 11:53 PM In reply to

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    Re: best affordable storage solution?

    I've done a ton of research and soon purchasing several of these:

     

    http://www.cineraid.com/products/Areca_ARC-8050T2.htm

     

    With 16TB it's about $3000. It support almost every RAID format but you'd probably want RAID 5. It is uses Areca hardware which is very reliable. I've been using their products for years. This is Thunderbolt 2 so it'll handle ANYTHING Media Composer can throw at it.

     

    As always however do plan on keeping a backup regardless of the solution you purchase. RAID 5 doesn't guarantee you won't lose your data.

     

    -Cablet

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  • Thu, Mar 27 2014 2:31 AM In reply to

    Re: best affordable storage solution?

    It does RAID-6 ... it's worth the loss of capacity to add that level of protection (N-2).

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  • Thu, Mar 27 2014 7:17 AM In reply to

    Re: best affordable storage solution?

    Worth reading this article on RAID 5 & 6

    http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/the-enterprise-cloud/raid-6-do-you-really-want-it/#.

    I won't use RAID 5 or 6 and use RAID 10. Drives are cheap nowadays.

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  • Thu, Mar 27 2014 2:37 PM In reply to

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    I have read multiple warnings about the downside of using RAID 5 and 6 with modern large spinning drives (>2TB).

    However, unless you are managing a wall of shared storage, this is rarely an issue for home or small business use. And with drives being cheap, a 2nd copy of the media in a non RAID drives is viable, thus making the RAID data expendable to a degree.

    Statistically, the chances of a second drive failure during a RAID 5 failure is extremely small. We have dozens of servers and local storage that utilizes RAID 5 in some form. I have yet to run in to a failed 2nd drive during rebuild.

    Also, the article has a slight mistake. Total reduction of space from RAID 5 is not a fixed percentage of 20%. It is (total disk - 1 disk) per RAID 5 set. So in a 5 drive RAID 5 it is 20% less. But in a 6 drive RAID 5 it is 16.67%. Same with RAID 6, it is based on how many total drives are involved in the RAID set.

     

     

     

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