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  • Fri, Feb 15 2013 8:16 AM

    • Clarice
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    new pc laptops have no firewire ports - any good firewire to usb adapters

     

    Hello friends

    I am currently residing in South Africa and I am struggling to purchase a new PC laptop , (with MC6.5 specifications,) with either a firewire port or a PCI slot, I have asked a few computer dealers and they all say that firewire has become obsolete .... very frustrating the laptops only come with usb 3.0 ports and 1 usb 2.0 port as well as a hdmi output only port.

    Has anyone else come across this problem?

    If so did you manage to find a good firewire to usb adapter?

    I found that pinnacle make a studio moviebox which would be perfect but I don't know if it will work with avid, does anyone know if it does?

    A little help would be greatly appreciated.

  • Fri, Feb 15 2013 1:21 PM In reply to

    Re: new pc laptops have no firewire ports - any good firewire to usb adapters

    The HP Elitebook portable workstations all have a built in FireWire port along with E-Sata, usb3, and express card 54 slots and are Avid certified. 

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  • Fri, Feb 15 2013 2:16 PM In reply to

    Re: new pc laptops have no firewire ports - any good firewire to usb adapters

    Unfortunately, that's a tough reality these days.  Firewire/USB adapters do not exist, they're totally different interfaces.  The Pinnacle MovieBox is an older product - it has never worked with Media Composer anyway.

    Some options - for I/O, instead of FireWire, some newer devices use USB3 - Blackmagic is among them, but beware, read the fine print and check very carefully - many of these devices ONLY support specific chipsets, so even though a computer might have USB3, it might not be supported.

    Mac + Thunderbolt is a good way to go these days as well.

    There are computers with ExpressCard slots out there - useful for many of the I/O units that are in current use.

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  • Fri, Feb 15 2013 2:23 PM In reply to

    • Clarice
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    Re: new pc laptops have no firewire ports - any good firewire to usb adapters

    Thanks guys

    very disheartening....the HP laptops look good but are a bit out of my price range :( and if i was to buy a mac could i change my mc6.5 pc to mac ?

  • Fri, Feb 15 2013 2:39 PM In reply to

    Re: new pc laptops have no firewire ports - any good firewire to usb adapters

    Yes - MC, unlike Adobe CS, is platform-independent.  Move your license between computers all you want, as often as you want - Mac or Windows, doesn't matter!  The only rule is that you can only have it activated on one computer at a time.

    The new Macs with Thunderbolt are great - there are many Thunderbolt drives and I/O interfaces out there.  In addition, you get USB3, and all kinds of other things via available adapters - Firewire, eSATA, PCI, etc.

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  • Fri, Feb 15 2013 3:42 PM In reply to

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    Re: new pc laptops have no firewire ports - any good firewire to usb adapters

    it's the same license I beleve as I run it on both pc and mac on one license just one at a time

     

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  • Fri, Feb 15 2013 5:50 PM In reply to

    • David Clarke
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    Re: new pc laptops have no firewire ports - any good firewire to usb adapters

    There are some chassis from a Taiwan company called Clevo (http://www.clevo.com.tw/en/index.asp) which are used by a lot of system builders which still have FireWire sockets and are a lot cheaper than HP.  Of course they are not Avid-validated laptops like HP.  You may be able to find a resellar in South Africa from their website.

    We have tried some USB to FireWire adaptors (my company makes Editing systems) and they were all rubbish I am afraid.

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  • Sat, Feb 16 2013 1:25 PM In reply to

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    Re: new pc laptops have no firewire ports - any good firewire to usb adapters

    Unfortunately, Firewire is percieved as dead, so noone wants to manufacture a converter. It's not that it's technically impossible, or even difficult (there are HD SDI to USB 3 converters), and the USB 3 interface is more than fast enough to convert from stream (firewire) -> packet (USB 3) -> stream (firewire driver) and present the stream in real-time for capture (or as near to RT as it is now). But without a market, we're unlikely to see a vendor make one. So what we need to do is to convince the vendors that the millions of existing cameras with firewire, while a legacy market, is still a viable one.

    Short of that, stick to laptops with Expresscard interfaces. You can still find these (not many, but HP still has them). Or wait until Thunderbolt becomes prevalent in the PC market. You should start to see these relatively shortly. Firewire to Thunderbolt adapters already exist (at least for the Apple; I've not seen any reports on whether or not Apple's adapter will also work for a PC with Thunderbolt; I suspect that physically it will, but it remains to be seen if the drivers support it).

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  • Sat, Feb 16 2013 4:27 PM In reply to

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    Re: new pc laptops have no firewire ports - any good firewire to usb adapters

    I've used USB 2 when forced to, and it's worked...

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  • Mon, Feb 18 2013 11:48 AM In reply to

    • Clarice
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    Re: new pc laptops have no firewire ports - any good firewire to usb adapters

    Thanks everyone for your advice I will consider it all while I make my decision on what to do :)

  • Mon, Feb 18 2013 2:50 PM In reply to

    Re: new pc laptops have no firewire ports - any good firewire to usb adapters

    I have had good luck buying either used (but like new condition) or refurbished machines on Ebay and Amazon, also Tiger direct sells used machines. Just make sure if there is a problem you can send it back. I had one HP Elite book which had an issue and sent it back to Tiger Direct for a full refund. The refurbished machines come with a standard warranty. Why buy new. Its like a car, the minute you drive it off the lot its worth half as much.

    Greg

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